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- From: kanze@gabi.gabi-soft.fr (J. Kanze)
- Newsgroups: comp.std.c++
- Subject: Re: auto_ptr again
- Date: 19 Jan 1996 09:33:25 PST
- Organization: GABI Software, Sarl.
- Approved: austern@isolde.mti.sgi.com
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- Originator: austern@isolde.mti.sgi.com
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- In article <AUSTERN.96Jan18103535@isolde.mti.sgi.com> austern (Matt
- Austern) writes:
-
- > In article <4djrn4$js1@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM> clamage@Eng.Sun.COM (Steve Clamage) writes:
-
- > > That point has been beaten to death in the C++ committee and also in
- > > this forum. Some people felt an auto_ptr should be able to have multiple
- > > owners, but people with experience with this kind of design persuaded
- > > the committee that auto_ptrs are too hard to use unless they can have
- > > only a single owner. Thus, ownership is transferred upon copying.
-
- > > That is, single ownership is a deliberate design decision based on the
- > > semantics an auto-ptr should have. It is not an implementation issue.
-
- > I thought it was generally agreed that auto_ptrs as currently defined
- > were broken---specifically, that the semantics of strict ownership,
- > constness, and the binding of temporary objects, ended up making an
- > auto_ptr nearly useless for returning a value from a function. That's
- > unfortunate, since returning something from a function is one of the
- > situations when it's most important to have some safe wrapper class
- > like auto_ptr.
-
- The only thing I think where there was anything like universal agreement
- was that auto_ptr's are nearly useless unless you can copy a temporary
- auto_ptr object. In the exact form that they are described in the
- standard, you cannot. But there were a number of proposed solutions,
- most of which maintain the concept of strict ownership.
-
- > I've spent a bit of time trying to come up with bright ideas for
- > fixing auto_ptr, but I don't really have any. Reference-counted
- > pointers don't have this particular problem, though, and that might be
- > the best argument for putting rc_ptr in the standard in addition to
- > (or instead of) auto_ptr.
-
- I use reference counted pointers a lot, but they have their own set of
- problems. I can very well understand the committees reluctance to adapt
- them.
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